Great Women In Fraud

Episode 54 Dr. Emily Homer, Criminologist

November 02, 2021 Kelly Paxton, CFE Episode 54
Show Notes Transcript

This week we have a real criminologist, Dr. Emily Homer.  We met online in July, 2020 right after she got her PhD.  We have kept up through COVID and she was kind enough to write a recommendation for my book.  I have taught in her criminology class.  You know how much I like to teach young professionals.  


This week I am also adding a new part of the introduction. Something that I am listening to or reading.  Right now a good friend of mine introduced me to Season 3 of Dr. Death.  Are you fans of Dr. Death?  What strikes me right away is Benita the main victim in this story, is an investigative reporter yet she was duped.  The story is fascinating on many levels.  The world famous surgeon, the crazy stories no spoilers but when she puts 2 and 2 together how she goes into investigation mode.  I am going to reach out to her to see if she will be on Great Women in Fraud.  The part of the story about the 4 doctor whistleblowers was a major disappointment.  Not because of them but how they were treated. Once again they go after the whistleblowers but not the charismatic super surgeon.  It is a constant in cases.  The investigation is done to get the outcome the powers that be want. In the end well no spoilers but it was very disappointing especially due to the health and safety issues. Do people want to be whistleblowers? Do they do it for fame or fortune?  Not exactly.  I will have links in the show notes.  Please let me know if you like hearing what I'm reading or listening to.  Trying some new things but most importantly I want you to benefit from this.  


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Kelly Paxton: Okay okay now this question I can't wait to hear who makes better and best embezzlers men or women?



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Emily Homer: So I think it doesn't come down to gender, the prevailing opinion from most people who study white collar crime or corporate crime is it comes down to opportunity.

So sometimes gender is about which genders more popular in that particular field if you're looking at general businesses.


Men generally commit more of those crimes if you're looking for some sort of industry that's more female populated perhaps nursing medical care you're going to find probably more female offenders, because they have the opportunity and that's where they work so.


I mean, most of the statistics in every crime almost every crime tell us that men commit them more but there's always a couple of exceptions, yes.


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Emily Homer: I'm going to take a different twist on it, and I really want to know who the zodiac killer was. I I don't know, nobody knows we came out with a new theory, just a few weeks ago, but I think that he's just a particularly fascinating case and I need to know who he was.


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Emily Homer: Sure well I'm to back up even a little bit more than that, I was like the middle school high school there who got all the serial killer books from the library.


Because we had to get them from the library that back then. I'm not that old but I'm old enough and.



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Emily Homer: I was really interested in handwriting and how everyone's handwriting is different and how it shows pieces of their personality and how.



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Emily Homer: Everyone has a distinctive handwriting, which is part of my obsession with the zodiac killer because of the ciphers that he used and just the way that he communicated so.

I thought criminal justice was really interesting I thought I'd do something with handwriting or question documents or disputed wills, or something like that.


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Kelly Paxton: that's amazing, and I know when we first talked it was like I gotta say we first talked about a year ago, but you're the one who said um we always use the word choice not mistake because.


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Emily Homer: Sure yeah well that came from a saying that we used to say when I used to work with the incarcerated population, and that is all about owning up to what you've done and recognizing your responsibility.



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Emily Homer: When you have a Community corrections type facility specifically there they're not just looking at incarceration they don't just want to put you away because you were a bad person.


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Emily Homer: It's just the encouragement of if you want to change your life in our context, if you want to stop committing crimes, you have to understand why you committed them in the first place.



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Emily Homer: You have to own up to them, so you can make changes that mean you're not going to commit crime down the road and that's really where it comes from accountability ownership.


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Emily Homer: How do you deter a company like, for example when I'm looking at now General Motors 2015 was sanctioned $900 million, which for us seems like a heck of amount of money $900 million is less than 1% of their operating budget for 2015.


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Emily Homer: A person with an embezzlement or insider trading or something which is also a felony and most the time of federal crime.



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Emily Homer: They just have to get their buddy to put them on a board of directors or hire them as a Vice President and they've got a job and their felony conviction does not keep them from getting a job.



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Emily Homer: And certainly doesn't keep them from re-offending and another company so it's just you know, we talk a lot about inequalities in the criminal justice system and that's a whole different podcast episode, but it's frustrating when you think about how do you deter millionaires.


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Emily Homer: Women committing any crimes well that's a problem, so I actually wrote a book chapter that's forthcoming in a book um it's on embezzlement.


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Emily Homer: I cited your book several times.



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Emily Homer: And it's actually a technology and crime books, so my chapter is about kind of.



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Emily Homer: viewing the old school crime of embezzlement which has been around for centuries of years decades, whatever.



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Emily Homer: But you're seeing how we can use new technology to commit embezzlement and so the chapter is a kind of a history of embezzlement and who does it, how they do it.


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Emily Homer: And one kind of crime theory example is we have this theory called routine activities theory and we teach it all the time we teach it to all of our students it's a very popular theory.


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Emily Homer: Cohen, and belson out of.



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Emily Homer: They did most of the research in the late 1940s in the late 1950s so it's called routine activities theory and most people think it is what it sounds like so so Kelly, if I said routine activities theory and is explaining crime, what do you think it might be about.


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Emily Homer: Usually with opportunity, you also have greater access to more money, which is also why we sometimes see the men with higher numbers because they're in charge of multi-million dollar businesses so let's take multi-million dollars.


Dr. Homer was great don’t you think?  Her work on words matter in the criminal justice system is so important.  I use it quite often.  She had so many great suggestions for streaming and watching about crime.  I learned about Routine Activities Theory and it makes a lot of sense when you consider pink collar crime.  The vulnerable target, motivated offender and lack of a capable guardian.  See you also learn a lot on Great Women in Fraud.  It’s not all fun and games.  A ton of show notes for you this week too.  Next week is OSINT wizardry.  

Podcast description: Dr. Emily Homer is a criminologist and has a ton of experience in community-based corrections, cognitive behavioral theory and also experience doing background investigations and due diligence for the private sector.  She is more than a master Googler.  This episode has a lot of links for listening and learning about crime and fraud.  Dr. Homer will be back again to talk about her upcoming chapter.  Remember wording really matters in criminology.  People make choices.  Don’t accept the word mistake.  They need to recognize their responsibility.